by Jay Scher
Now if we look at the even bigger picture of things and the finality of all things as "The Plan For Mankind", it becomes even clearer how the two can't be one.
I will explain some of it from the beginning first really quickly. If he is going to be in the presence of his Father he is a separate spirit being at that point, he can't go to himself and he is not talking about himself in the third person!
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Elohim, and the Word was Elohim.
Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with Elohim.
Joh 1:3 All came to be through Him,1 and without Him not even one came to be that came to be................................
Now Elohim can mean Mighty one or Mighty ones. In the last part of verse one it means two, mighty ones. There are two.....He has the same features as his Father. It is really simple. We were created in their image just as he was created in the image of his Father. Gen 1:26 And Elohim said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over the livestock, and over all the earth and over all the creeping creatures that creep on the earth.”
He didn’t say my image he said our image as in plural spirit beings.
Take a look at the following verses for me and you will see what they want for us!
Rev 21:2 And I, Yoḥanan, saw the set-apart city, renewed Yerushalayim, coming down out of the heaven from Elohim, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Do you know who Elohim is here in this verse and who the husband is in this verse? You have to see the big picture here and understand it is impossible for the two to be one. Those that are chosen to be first fruits and the marriage of the Lamb don't marry the Father, they marry the Son! So here in verse 2 we hope to be the bride and the Lamb, “Messiah is the Husband”.
It goes along with the next verse; Hos 2:16 “And it shall be, in that day,” declares יהוה, “that you call Me ‘My Husband,’ and no longer call Me ‘My Baʽal.’
Do you understand the marriage of the lamb and the marriage supper?
Rev_19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honor to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
People don’t go to heaven or hell when they die there are two resurrections and those in the first resurrection are the first fruits “these are those that will marry Messiah” and in the second they are judged according to their works, but with many of them going to the lake of fire.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and set-apart is the one having part in the first resurrection. The second death possesses no authority over these, but they shall be priests of Elohim and of Messiah, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
This is the second resurrection.
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne and Him who was sitting on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away, and no place was found for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before the throne, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged from what was written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, and death and the grave gave up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
Rev 20:14 And the death and the grave were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death.1 Footnote: 1See 2:11, 20:6, 21:8.
Rev 20:15 And if anyone was not found written in the Book of Life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.Of Elohim and Messiah, so we are talking about two again and not one.
Do you understand what I am talking about or did I lose you along the way. Please let me know if I have lost you along the way at any place.
Messiah “Yah the Son” was the Elohim of the 1st covenant not “Father Yah” as no one has ever seen or heard his voice.
Joh 1:18 No one has ever seen Elohim.1 The only brought-forth Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He did declare.2 Footnotes: 1See 5:37, 6:46, 1 John 4:12. 2The pre-existent Son declared, and was the One who appeared to men.
Joh 6:44 “No one is able to come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him. And I shall raise him up in the last day.
Joh 6:45 “It has been written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by יהוה.’ Everyone, then, who has heard from the Father, and learned, comes to Me.
Joh 6:46 “Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from Elohim – He has seen the Father.
Joh 5:37 “And the Father who sent Me, He bore witness of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
1Co 10:1 For I do not wish you to be ignorant, brothers, that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea,
1Co 10:2 and all were immersed into Mosheh in the cloud and in the sea,
1Co 10:3 and all ate the same spiritual food,
1Co 10:4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed, and the Rock was Messiah.
1Co 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of Elohim says יהושע is a curse, and no one is able to say that יהושע is Master except by the Set-apart Spirit.
So I gave you the crash course in the big master plan. Then we will have the Kingdom of Israel and a New Jerusalem as we read in Rev 21 earlier.
Rev 21:2 And I, Yoḥanan, saw the set-apart city, renewed Yerushalayim, coming down out of the heaven from Elohim, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the heaven saying, “See, the Booth of Elohim is with men, and He shall dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and Elohim Himself shall be with them and be their Elohim.
Rev 21:4 “And Elohim shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying. And there shall be no more pain, for the former matters have passed away.”
Rev 21:5 And He who was sitting on the throne said, “See, I make all matters new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and trustworthy.”
Rev 21:6 And He said to me, “It is done! I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the Beginning and the End. To the one who thirsts I shall give of the fountain of the water of life without payment.
Rev 21:7 “The one who overcomes shall inherit all this, and I shall be his Elohim and he shall be My son.
Now we can read further down again that there is two “Elohim and the Lamb”. It doesn’t say they are the same spirit and again it doesn’t explain anytype of oneness at all, in fact it tells us “Elohim and The Lamb Two times”. Whenever we are told something twice in the same verse or in back to back verses then we can count on it 100%. There is no guessing here as to their oneness as they are two spirit beings. This is not something that is too hard for us to understand through the scriptures as so many people want to say when you explain there are two and what “Echad” means through the scriptures. With only 2% of our brain it is not too hard to understand.
Joh_14:14 “If you ask whatever in My Name, I shall do it.
This goes for asking questions about his nature and his plan for us. Why he created us? What this whole deal is really about! What his real truth in scripture is! Help with unlearning the false traditions and doctrines of man. Coming out of Babylon religions and learning how to have a real relationship with the Father, and the Son without man or Idols in the middle! That is what this is about, not religion, but a covenant relationship, understanding that “The Scriptures” are a Constitutional Treaty for the Kingdom of Israel. Understanding that they are not done away with, but they are what keeps us in covenant relationship with the Father and the Son.
Mat_7:7 “Ask and it shall be given to you, seek and you shall find, knock and it shall be opened to you.
Luk_11:9 “And I say to you: ask and it shall be given to you, seek and you shall find, knock and it shall be opened to you.
Rev_3:20 “See, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I shall come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me.
Sunday, March 30, 2014
Sunday, March 23, 2014
Question on Trinity
Brother Jay Scher gives a very sound answer with many, many Scriptures.
Question:
Thankyou for sharing your message on the Trinity. I am still confused, having been taught exactly everything you were talking about. I prayed and asked this very morning for YHWH to help me get all this into perspective. It's so hard to unlearn 38 years of untruths and sort out what is the correct way. Correct me if I am wrong..did Yeshua say..the Father and I are one...and what did He mean by that. I am still confused. I only want the truth...I am so happy for the understanding I have and can't wait to have more understanding to know and get all this figured out. I probably never will, but a better understanding. I message you..so I won't anger all my christian friends who think I am nuts..they don't know and at this point don't want to know. For their sake, and not causing them to be angry , I ask you in private. I love my Messiah, the Jewish people, my YHWH, and am so happy to be grafted into the people of Israel. Anymore sound teaching would be appreciated. I need a direct teaching, cause I'm not good at reading between lines..and I do get confused if too many facts come at me at once...Thank you,
Answer:
You are very welcome Sister Audrey.
He did say they are one. One as in “Echad”, not as in the same spirit being. Do you understand the word Echad? Like those in the body of Messiah are Echad. Most of them anyway, some believe just a little bit different, but for the most part “Echad”. They think alike, they have the same beliefs, they keep the commands listed in scripture that apply to them, they want the same things and they have the same plan for mankind. It is "compound unity" at the highest level. It is a Hebraic term for a Hebraic mindset and not a Greek/Western mindset. Now people get mad at me when I tell them this sometimes, but it is the truth and I don't sugar coat things. I just have to tell you them as they are, because I am held accountable for what I teach and say. This is the hardest thing that you will have to unlearn is the Greek/Western mind set.
Yeshua/Yahshua told his disciples that he and the Father were "one" (John 10:30). He didn't define their oneness here. Later when he prayed to his Father on behalf of his disciples, he asked that they "may all be one, just as we are one" (John 17:21-22). Whatever this oneness may entail, they don't understand the word Echad, we assume it doesn't mean his disciples would enter into cosmic spirit unity with transcendent deity, as in Neo-Platonism or modern New Age pantheism do we? We would not be so arrogant in our thinking to think that we would be the same as our Dear Messiah now would we? We will always be below him as he will always be King of Kings!
Paul/Sha'ull provides one definition of the unity of Messiah and the disciples:1Co 6:15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Messiah? Shall I then take the members of Messiah and make them members of a whore? Let it not be!
1Co 6:16 Or do you not know that he who is joined to a whore is one body? For He says, “The two shall become one flesh.”
1Co 6:17 And he who is joined to the Master is one spirit.
So now then are we actually the same spirit now as Messiah or are we our own spirit, but Echad with him? Do you see the difference here? It is the same with him and Father Yah. Let us look at another example, because the true Echad is so hard for so many people to understand. You have no Idea the names I get called over this exact subject trying to explain this to people. Over the last week I have been attacked viciously.
Question:
Thankyou for sharing your message on the Trinity. I am still confused, having been taught exactly everything you were talking about. I prayed and asked this very morning for YHWH to help me get all this into perspective. It's so hard to unlearn 38 years of untruths and sort out what is the correct way. Correct me if I am wrong..did Yeshua say..the Father and I are one...and what did He mean by that. I am still confused. I only want the truth...I am so happy for the understanding I have and can't wait to have more understanding to know and get all this figured out. I probably never will, but a better understanding. I message you..so I won't anger all my christian friends who think I am nuts..they don't know and at this point don't want to know. For their sake, and not causing them to be angry , I ask you in private. I love my Messiah, the Jewish people, my YHWH, and am so happy to be grafted into the people of Israel. Anymore sound teaching would be appreciated. I need a direct teaching, cause I'm not good at reading between lines..and I do get confused if too many facts come at me at once...Thank you,
Answer:
You are very welcome Sister Audrey.
He did say they are one. One as in “Echad”, not as in the same spirit being. Do you understand the word Echad? Like those in the body of Messiah are Echad. Most of them anyway, some believe just a little bit different, but for the most part “Echad”. They think alike, they have the same beliefs, they keep the commands listed in scripture that apply to them, they want the same things and they have the same plan for mankind. It is "compound unity" at the highest level. It is a Hebraic term for a Hebraic mindset and not a Greek/Western mindset. Now people get mad at me when I tell them this sometimes, but it is the truth and I don't sugar coat things. I just have to tell you them as they are, because I am held accountable for what I teach and say. This is the hardest thing that you will have to unlearn is the Greek/Western mind set.
Yeshua/Yahshua told his disciples that he and the Father were "one" (John 10:30). He didn't define their oneness here. Later when he prayed to his Father on behalf of his disciples, he asked that they "may all be one, just as we are one" (John 17:21-22). Whatever this oneness may entail, they don't understand the word Echad, we assume it doesn't mean his disciples would enter into cosmic spirit unity with transcendent deity, as in Neo-Platonism or modern New Age pantheism do we? We would not be so arrogant in our thinking to think that we would be the same as our Dear Messiah now would we? We will always be below him as he will always be King of Kings!
Paul/Sha'ull provides one definition of the unity of Messiah and the disciples:1Co 6:15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Messiah? Shall I then take the members of Messiah and make them members of a whore? Let it not be!
1Co 6:16 Or do you not know that he who is joined to a whore is one body? For He says, “The two shall become one flesh.”
1Co 6:17 And he who is joined to the Master is one spirit.
So now then are we actually the same spirit now as Messiah or are we our own spirit, but Echad with him? Do you see the difference here? It is the same with him and Father Yah. Let us look at another example, because the true Echad is so hard for so many people to understand. You have no Idea the names I get called over this exact subject trying to explain this to people. Over the last week I have been attacked viciously.
Php 1:27 Only, behave yourselves worthily of the Good News of Messiah, in order that whether I come and see you or am absent, I hear about you, that you stand fast in one spirit, with one being, striving together for the belief of the Good News,
Php 1:28 without being frightened in any way by those who oppose, which to them truly is a proof of destruction, but to you of deliverance, and that from Elohim.
Php 1:29 Because to you it has been given as a favour, on behalf of Messiah, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake,
So here it even says and explains the disciples standing fast with one being. So are they really all one being or are they separate with their own thoughts, but at the same time they all have the same goals and beliefs? It is the same thing when the Messiah and Father Yah speak in this manner.
RUACH/SPIRIT. Elsewhere, he equates this SPIRIT with the "new man" or new nature, to the nature of the Messiah.
Php 1:28 without being frightened in any way by those who oppose, which to them truly is a proof of destruction, but to you of deliverance, and that from Elohim.
Php 1:29 Because to you it has been given as a favour, on behalf of Messiah, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake,
So here it even says and explains the disciples standing fast with one being. So are they really all one being or are they separate with their own thoughts, but at the same time they all have the same goals and beliefs? It is the same thing when the Messiah and Father Yah speak in this manner.
RUACH/SPIRIT. Elsewhere, he equates this SPIRIT with the "new man" or new nature, to the nature of the Messiah.
. . . to be continued
Sunday, March 16, 2014
Purim
PURIM, TO KEEP OR NOT TO KEEP, “BY THOSE WHO ARE IN THE WAY”?
There are several major components of the Purim holiday, including public readings of the Book of Esther (k'riat megillah), giving charity to the poor (matanot la'evyonim) and delivering gifts to friends (mishloach manot). But Purim is most obviously characterized by a boisterous feast (se'udah) during which participants dress in costumes and drink to excess. Jewish people are instructed to revel in alcoholic drinks until they cannot tell the difference between Mordecai and Haman.
In the Book of Esther, Mordecai and Haman are portrayed as the embodiments of good and evil, respectively. In the story, Haman, the right-hand man of the Persian king, feels personally insulted when Mordecai will not bow to him.
During the reading of the Book of Esther, every mention of Haman's name is drowned out by festive noisemakers (called groggers), shouting, stamping and every manner of booing. Mordecai's name is cheered. But by night's end, the difference between Haman and Mordecai, between good and evil, becomes nonexistent. Participants wear masks to acknowledge that goodness, being Set-Apart and Father Yah’s truth to them are most often hidden.
Does this sound like something that those who are keeping the commands of scripture should be keeping, those that are really seeking Father Yah, and those that are seeking to develop the mind of Messiah? This is a Jewish festival that we are not told to keep in anyplace in scripture. This is no different than a mix of Halloween and Christmas. In many ways this is worse, because the people are told to drink so much, to become obliterated that they can’t tell the difference between “Mordecai and Haman”. Where in scripture are we told to do anything like this? We are not! Please do not think, because you keep the commands of Father Yah that this is a day you are to keep, because other Jewish people keep it!
Hab_2:15 “Woe to him who gives drink to his neighbour, pouring out your wineskin, and also making him drunk – in order to look on their nakedness!
Eph_5:18 And do not be drunk with wine, in which is loose behaviour, but be filled with the Spirit,
Pro_31:6 Give strong drink to him who is perishing, And wine to those embittered in being.
Isa_5:11 Woe to those who rise early in the morning pursuing strong drink, who stay up late at night – wine inflames them!
Isa_28:7 And these too have gone astray through wine, and through strong drink wandered about. Priest and prophet have gone astray through strong drink, they are swallowed up by wine, they wander about through strong drink, they go astray in vision, they stumble in right-ruling.
I hope this was a blessing to you all!
There are several major components of the Purim holiday, including public readings of the Book of Esther (k'riat megillah), giving charity to the poor (matanot la'evyonim) and delivering gifts to friends (mishloach manot). But Purim is most obviously characterized by a boisterous feast (se'udah) during which participants dress in costumes and drink to excess. Jewish people are instructed to revel in alcoholic drinks until they cannot tell the difference between Mordecai and Haman.
In the Book of Esther, Mordecai and Haman are portrayed as the embodiments of good and evil, respectively. In the story, Haman, the right-hand man of the Persian king, feels personally insulted when Mordecai will not bow to him.
During the reading of the Book of Esther, every mention of Haman's name is drowned out by festive noisemakers (called groggers), shouting, stamping and every manner of booing. Mordecai's name is cheered. But by night's end, the difference between Haman and Mordecai, between good and evil, becomes nonexistent. Participants wear masks to acknowledge that goodness, being Set-Apart and Father Yah’s truth to them are most often hidden.
Does this sound like something that those who are keeping the commands of scripture should be keeping, those that are really seeking Father Yah, and those that are seeking to develop the mind of Messiah? This is a Jewish festival that we are not told to keep in anyplace in scripture. This is no different than a mix of Halloween and Christmas. In many ways this is worse, because the people are told to drink so much, to become obliterated that they can’t tell the difference between “Mordecai and Haman”. Where in scripture are we told to do anything like this? We are not! Please do not think, because you keep the commands of Father Yah that this is a day you are to keep, because other Jewish people keep it!
Hab_2:15 “Woe to him who gives drink to his neighbour, pouring out your wineskin, and also making him drunk – in order to look on their nakedness!
Eph_5:18 And do not be drunk with wine, in which is loose behaviour, but be filled with the Spirit,
Pro_31:6 Give strong drink to him who is perishing, And wine to those embittered in being.
Isa_5:11 Woe to those who rise early in the morning pursuing strong drink, who stay up late at night – wine inflames them!
Isa_28:7 And these too have gone astray through wine, and through strong drink wandered about. Priest and prophet have gone astray through strong drink, they are swallowed up by wine, they wander about through strong drink, they go astray in vision, they stumble in right-ruling.
I hope this was a blessing to you all!
Sunday, March 9, 2014
A Simple Question
Contributed by Jay Scher
Jas 2:14 My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him.
Jas 2:15 And if a brother or sister is naked and in need of daily food,
Jas 2:16 but one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” but you do not give them the bodily needs, what use is it?
Jas 2:17 So also belief, if it does not have works, is in itself dead.
Jas 2:18 But someone might say, “You have belief, and I have works.” Show me your belief without your works, and I shall show you my belief by my works.
Jas 2:19 You believe that Elohim is one. You do well. The demons also believe – and shudder!
Jas 2:20 But do you wish to know, O foolish man, that the belief without the works is dead?
Jas 2:21 Was not Aḇraham our father declared right by works when he offered Yitsḥaq his son on the altar?
Jas 2:22 Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected?
Jas 2:23 And the Scripture was filled which says, “Aḇraham believed Elohim, and it was reckoned to him for righteousness.” And he was called, “Elohim’s friend.”
Jas 2:24 You see, then, that a man is declared right by works, and not by belief alone.
Jas 2:25 In the same way, was not Raḥaḇ the whore also declared right by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so also the belief is dead without the works.
What are we doing?
Jas 2:14 My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him.
Jas 2:15 And if a brother or sister is naked and in need of daily food,
Jas 2:16 but one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” but you do not give them the bodily needs, what use is it?
Jas 2:17 So also belief, if it does not have works, is in itself dead.
Jas 2:18 But someone might say, “You have belief, and I have works.” Show me your belief without your works, and I shall show you my belief by my works.
Jas 2:19 You believe that Elohim is one. You do well. The demons also believe – and shudder!
Jas 2:20 But do you wish to know, O foolish man, that the belief without the works is dead?
Jas 2:21 Was not Aḇraham our father declared right by works when he offered Yitsḥaq his son on the altar?
Jas 2:22 Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected?
Jas 2:23 And the Scripture was filled which says, “Aḇraham believed Elohim, and it was reckoned to him for righteousness.” And he was called, “Elohim’s friend.”
Jas 2:24 You see, then, that a man is declared right by works, and not by belief alone.
Jas 2:25 In the same way, was not Raḥaḇ the whore also declared right by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so also the belief is dead without the works.
What are we doing?
It's Not About . . .
by Jay Scher
It is not about justification, legalism, and Jewish law, Mosaic Law, falling from grace or any of the other names you want to give it.
It is about obedience to the living words of Messiah throughout scripture!
Obedience to Scripture is something so many people don’t understand and or just flat out don’t want to do!
The food laws are just one small part of it.
Some people just really don't understand what happened when Messiah died for us.
Are we under Faith or Grace?
We are under Both!
Faith/Beliefs = Works
Works = Obeying the commands in scripture.
Obeying the commands in scripture = Grace/Favor
Any Questions ?
Much Love and Shalom to you all
It is not about justification, legalism, and Jewish law, Mosaic Law, falling from grace or any of the other names you want to give it.
It is about obedience to the living words of Messiah throughout scripture!
Obedience to Scripture is something so many people don’t understand and or just flat out don’t want to do!
The food laws are just one small part of it.
Some people just really don't understand what happened when Messiah died for us.
Are we under Faith or Grace?
We are under Both!
Faith/Beliefs = Works
Works = Obeying the commands in scripture.
Obeying the commands in scripture = Grace/Favor
Any Questions ?
Much Love and Shalom to you all
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